Responding to my earlier post (or to the post from R.O. which inspired it: as is often the case, it's unclear what triggered this), Layo said:
Oh for fuck's sake. Only a fucking ham slice would claim that just because they personally have zero emotional intelligence, there's no difference between good and evil.Is killing babies evil? I don't know too many people who would justify the murder of innocents. (To be fair, my sample may be skewed since I would quickly dissociate myself from anyone who tried). But now let's go to the next question: at what point does a fetus become an innocent baby? And for bonus points, answer this: how much obligation do we have to protect innocent babies from those who would murder them? Is allowing 1,000 babies to be killed more evil than killing their murderer and thereby stopping the slaughter?
The readers of my blog are likely to have a certain degree of consensus on this issue. I suspect that most are in favor of a woman's right to safe and legal abortion. Should I post this conundrum to a Catholic forum, I suspect I might find a very different consensus. They might well point out the inherent absurdity of condemning infanticide while permitting late-term abortions. They might even express approval at those who shut down the dark Satanic mills of the abortion industry through civil disobedience or acts of vandalism. A few might even go so far as to state that George Tiller's murder was a mixed (or even an unmixed) blessing, since his death saved the lives of many babies.
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People on both sides of this issue have very strong feelings: their emotional intelligence has led them to unshakeable yet contradictory conclusions. Given this dichotomy, it's clear that "emotional intelligence" is an unreliable guide at best.
Most abusers will happily explain to you that "the bitch had it coming." Most criminals will gladly point to all the extenuating circumstances that led up to their misdeeds and paint themselves as victims of an unjust society. The most dastardly will find ways to excuse or explain their actions - indeed, humanity as a species may be programmed for this sort of self-justification. Outside of horror films, very few people willfully and knowingly do what they feel is evil for the sake of evil.
Fuck. To clarify, the perception that one can either be a Powerful Abuser or a Deluded Victim is a false dichotomy. It's used by abusive fuckwads on people who disapprove of abusiveness. "If you don't like abusing people, then you're a brainwashed victim." I will beat your face in if that's what it takes to defend myself, but that's a far cry from using as much of my power as I can to force other people to do what I want just because, wow, I examined the consequences of being a fucking dick, and short-term, it's a win! Selfish, irresponsible use of power does not make you a free, lordly Ubermensch. It makes you an asshole and a coward and everybody knows it. You know it. You do it because you're afraid all the time. Everyone knows you're trying to make other people suffer the way you once suffered. The only people who think it's great are people like you: nutless porkboys.And I'm sure that the person who gets hir face beaten in by Layo will see Layo as evil and hirself as a victim. Nor would I expect Layo to see herself as a powerful abuser. As I pointed out above, abusers typically see themselves as victims when they are called on the carpet. I would expect her to feel quite satisfied with her morality and to justify her actions (to herself and to others) by whatever means prove necessary.
To that end, it appears Layo is engaging in a favorite technique of feminist argument: attempting to derail conversation by painting herself as a victim and those who disagree with her as abusers. Layo would rather see herself as a victim than as an abuser, because in her circles oppressors are bad people. To that end she tries to use her femininity as a trump card: she hopes to take the moral advantage away from her male opponent, while simultaneously absolving herself from any taint of superiority. Alas, this technique is doomed to failure from the start. Victims win pity if they are lucky and contempt if they aren't, but only rarely do they get anything but scraps thrown to them by those who are more fortunate.
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It looked to me like she was pissed off at people who think it's ok just to do whatever, whenever. I don't think she understood my point even slightly. To overcome the illusion of Good and Evil the way I'm talking requires that you embrace and integrate Love. When you act out of love, codes of ethics become meaningless. What you do is right.
This is Enlightenment Level bullshit we're talking here, ultimate truths that can't be understood without a framework that comes from hard work and long term dedication to the processes and implications of the Great Work. Your average Joe or Jane won't get it because they still think evil stuff is intrinsically evil, like there's a quantifiable amount of evilness that you can measure and say, if it's this much or more evil, it's bad or something. You have to see that evil and good are subjective attributions made be self-centered specks of consciousness based on situations and circumstance. People don't grok that all ethics are situational ethics without a lot of immersion in the Work.
I don't know too many people who would justify the murder of innocents.
I've worked retail during the holiday season. After an eight hour shift, Herod's actions were no longer quite so inscrutable to me.
The problem, as I see it, is that people tend to think that they've developed the ability to distinguish between what is, and is not, in keeping with their "capital-W" Will (and thus not truly harmful, or evil, despite outward appearances to the contrary), long, long before they've really done so. Developing that sort of perspective is, I suspect, the result of decades of hard and regular work (during which it's probably best to stick to some sensible code of conduct, if only as an ongoing exercise in Yama/Niyama). But being tempted to misbehavior though the desire for superior knowledge is, surely, a very old and common story in the occult world.
Marg, it's a process of figuring out the way the universe works. You do "good" things, you thrive, you do "evil" things, you die. That's why we call them good and evil. There's what you do, and consequences, and whether you're happy with the consequences or not, like I said in the first place.
The application of "good" or "evil" comes AFTER what you do. It's what you do that matters, not the labels applied by society or culture or religion or whatever.
R. O., I don't have a completely and well-articulated response, but I can offer two pieces of the puzzle, as I see it: (1) is the "me" that makes judgements about whether the consequences of this action or that decision really what "counts?" (I sometimes have an ill-defined feeling/intuition that that "me" has a "means-to-an-end" quality about it, in service to aspects of the self that are not directly accessible to consciousness, at least right now) and (2) the Book of Job (or its analogues in other "wisdom literature" traditions) seem relevant.
I've often found that certain popular culture quotes express my ethics succinctly.
Glinda the Good: Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?
Tira (Mae West): When I'm good, I'm very good. But, when I'm bad...I'm better.
The Doctor: Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.
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