I believe that if you took a moment to research my company - Athena's Home Novelties before casting harsh judgement, you'd find a female company owner who is a proud pagan.
I find it disturbing that these blogs judging my company were written without anyone contacting me first to ask WHY I named my company after my patron Goddess.
We were going to get you a dreidel... |
Jennifer makes another interesting statement:
I don't think it is fair that some feel that only "virgins" can serve her.
I do not place myself higher than Athena. She is my patron Goddess and I worship her at my alter.
First, I would note that nobody was saying that only "virgins" could serve Athena. The question was whether it is appropriate to name a sex toy shop after Athena, not whether one needs an intact hymen to worship Her. One may engage in discussion about Athena's modesty and virginity - two qualities which were central to Her character and mythology - without implying that virginity and modesty were the only or even preferred options for a society. This is one of the great strengths of polytheism: there are many ways to honor the Divine as an individual and as a culture. But those ways are generally well-delineated with clearly marked right and wrong turns.
I must protest this injus... AAAGGH!! |
Jennifer goes on to provide a lengthy list of things she has accomplished and charitable donations she has made through her store. She also notes "If the mighty Athena was not pleased with my path, she would have stopped me long ago. Instead, she walks beside me, guides me and is a powerful ally." This is not an entirely unreasonable assumption. Jennifer's UPG (Uncorroborated Personal Gnosis) that Athena wanted her to name a sex toy store after her seems to be supported by the fact that said store continues to succeed and to thrive. But this also points to a problem with UPG - namely, that not everyone is going to accept it, especially in cases where the UPG seems to conflict with the established lore. If I say that peace-loving Kwan Yin wanted me to set up a mixed martial arts and weapons supply house in Her name, or the most sober of Orishas wants me to open Obatala's Liquor Store, I can hardly be surprised if people question my motivations.
In the end this is a dispute about theology. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree on these issues and yet remain cordial or even friendly to each other. I don't accept Muhammad as the Seal of the Prophets, nor do I believe the Q'uran and Hadiths should be the ultimate arbiters in all matters spiritual, social and scientific. But I can still acknowledge the contributions Islam has made to our world and remain friends with Muslims. In a similar vein I might question the decision to name a sex toy shop after a modest virgin Goddess yet recognize the sincerity and devotion of those who do.
In fact, I'd say this kind of discussion is vital to developing a polytheistic spiritual community. The fact that we care enough to debate these topics suggest we are moving beyond play-acting and into genuine devotion. We are arguing about how the Gods should be respected, but we are in agreement that They are worthy of respect.
In the end this is a dispute about theology. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree on these issues and yet remain cordial or even friendly to each other. I don't accept Muhammad as the Seal of the Prophets, nor do I believe the Q'uran and Hadiths should be the ultimate arbiters in all matters spiritual, social and scientific. But I can still acknowledge the contributions Islam has made to our world and remain friends with Muslims. In a similar vein I might question the decision to name a sex toy shop after a modest virgin Goddess yet recognize the sincerity and devotion of those who do.
In fact, I'd say this kind of discussion is vital to developing a polytheistic spiritual community. The fact that we care enough to debate these topics suggest we are moving beyond play-acting and into genuine devotion. We are arguing about how the Gods should be respected, but we are in agreement that They are worthy of respect.
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I have to say that I don't find the whole "the gods would stop me if I was wrong" attitude convincing. I didn't find it convincing when I was young and right wing Christians would say it, and I don't find it convincing as an adult when a Pagan says it. Sometimes the powers-that-be are all-too-happy to give us enough rope to hang ourselves with... it doesn't prove they wanted us to hang ourselves.
@ Kenaz: Great post! As I noted on my blog I exchanged various emails with Jennifer and think she and her colleagues are doing a good thing regardless of what others may think. Seems to be yet another instance in which folks have to endure some flack from the more 'orthodox' as they follow their own path.
@ Eli: I'm wholeheartedly in disagreement with you on this. A God or even a handful might have that attitude but not *all* of the Gods. I've seen folks say the same thing you're saying far too often as if the Gods don't hold people accountable for the shit they do. If Jennifer had decided to name her company 'Hermes Home Novelties' he might've found it amusing but we're talking about the Goddess Athena (she might not) which is actually the whole point of this debate. If folks are going to object on the basis of historical documentation and culture then part of that includes accepting the fact that the Gods 'put it down' whenever they saw fit as Kenaz has pointed out. Anyway, I find it quite plausible that the Goddess Athena would've shut her down if she was indeed displeased.
This is a very interesting conversation, and an important one to have, as you say, Kenaz...
Not entirely connected; but, if you have a moment, I'd be very interested in your thoughts on something I wrote today. Any comments you have are most welcome!
@ Ambrosius - My point was that the fact that the gods didn't stop you doesn't prove anything. Maybe it means they're pleased... maybe it doesn't.
I have to say that I don't find the whole "the gods would stop me if I was wrong" attitude convincing. I didn't find it convincing when I was young and right wing Christians would say it, and I don't find it convincing as an adult when a Pagan says it. Sometimes the powers-that-be are all-too-happy to give us enough rope to hang ourselves with... it doesn't prove they wanted us to hang ourselves.
I have to say that I agree. There's also the possibility that UPG simply, to be quite frank, isn't what we believe it is. It's quite possible that it's wishful thinking, it's also quite possible that the deity we believe is guiding us is now Who we think They are. No-where in Hellenic mythology, especially, is it demonstrated that the Theoi are always in agreement with each-other or working together.
...and like you said, mythology regularly demonstrates that the gods of many pantheons will often give us enough rope, and that They hardly control every aspect of every human being's life. Furthermore, financial success and prosperity does not necessarily equate Divine favour; Midas was given prosperity and it was hardly a good thing.
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